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welcome to somewhere in the skies today

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we talked to UFO investigator researcher

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and lobbyist chase kutsuki what are we

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not doing as ufologists in this field

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well we're really not including the

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scientists and the lawmakers could have

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been brutal to us in the past and you

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know not being afraid to have a door

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shut my face I've really elicit both and

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I use a lot of scientists to test a lot

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of labs because I won't use UFO labs

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because it's like the prosecution trying

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to prove the case with only their

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witnesses so you know I use very

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independent labs a scientists and I've

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learned as long as I'm not saying hey I

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think this metals from a mothership yeah

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it's like hey I got the metal you test

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metal can I send you this metal how much

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is that gonna cost and we're good to go

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and and I'm getting really noted labs

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and and some of the guys that I've even

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had examined our stuff are up from four

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Nobel Peace Prize so yeah and knowing

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that okay well we walk through that door

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what's the next one so I kind of thought

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we have to get our lawmakers because

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we're never going to get anything

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Declassified we're never going to change

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anything with the secret keepers or to

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have any transparency if we don't start

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this is somewhere in the skies the

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[Music]

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague today we're gonna

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be talking to one of my favorite UFO

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researchers and investigators chase

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klutz key but before that I just wanted

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to let you know that I'll be attending

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alien come on November 9th 10th and 11th

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in Baltimore Maryland with my very good

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friend and rogue planet colleague Jason

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McClellan Jason and I will be signing

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and selling books and merch and we'll

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also be taking part as moderators and

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participants in panel discussions

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throughout the weekend and I'll

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personally be giving a solo presentation

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of my own it's going to be a super fun

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and informative weekend and we want you

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to be a part of that look for an

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exclusive summer in the skies contest in

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the very near future where you'll be my

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special guest at alien Con Baltimore for

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the entire weekend stay tuned for more

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haven't given it a read yet I'd love to

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also share my exclusive interview with

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Ryan Eslinger writer and director of the

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new film UFO starring Gillian Anderson

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and Alex sharp Esslinger shares some of

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his experiences on set his thoughts on

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UFOs and we dive into his extensive

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research into the UFO topic that helped

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inspire many aspects of the film that

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interview can be found at our sister

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check out all of the other amazing

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content we have to offer at rogue planet

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again that's rogue planet TV and now a

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little about today's guest chase klutz

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key earned her master trainer and

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structure title while employed with the

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Department of Defense

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this includes assignments with Homeland

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Security and private sector security

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forces she's also a certified private

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investigator and certified international

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forensic and evidence collector chase

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joined the mutual UFO network in 1996

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and was selected as the start team

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manager and deputy director of

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Investigations through 2011 as of today

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she holds the position of Director of

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Investigations as an international CAG

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investigator chase focuses her attention

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on national UFO cases reported in Mexico

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Cuba Puerto Rico in Central America in

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November of 2016 chase became a

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registered and official lobbyist for the

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UFO field today

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we talk all about her extensive list of

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accomplishments in and out of the UFO

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field and we hear about her most

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dramatic UFO case she's investigated

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when she her investigative partner and

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the primary witness experienced

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something so strange that it changed her

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entire outlook on the UFO phenomenon and

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her investigations moving forward so

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without further ado here's my

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conversation with chase Gretzky chase

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thank you so much for finally joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies oh my

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gosh Brian you're one of my favorite

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ufologist out here one of the best

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voices and it really is my honor

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I have adored you from the first time we

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even work together and we've had a

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couple little projects yeah we have

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that's kind of how we got connected I

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remember I was a fan of yours back in

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the day when you were doing a bunch of

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radio radio work and I listened every

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week to your show because you were

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bringing forward information that no one

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else was so of course you know I

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immediately reached out to you you know

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it's like how can I work with you what

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could I do and we made it happen yes and

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you were excellent so it's so great to

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see you get into radio after you know

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kind of dabbling as you know a

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correspondent at Congress and you know

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you're just killing it I'm very proud of

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you Brian

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very proud well you know I could

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obviously say the same and that's sort

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of what we're gonna run through today

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for any of my listeners who don't know

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who you are which I find impossible at

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this point but but for those new

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listeners out there who might just be

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hopping on with this episode I I

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couldn't think of a better guest to have

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on so before we get to your your track

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record here chase of just some amazing

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stuff I want to start with the origin

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story I am a comic book nerd I love my

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Peter Parker's my Wonder Woman's and how

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they became who they were so if you

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wouldn't mind would you maybe give us a

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little overview of how you first got

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interested in the topic of UFOs oh

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absolutely I wish it was as cool as

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Wonder Woman but it started with you

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know just being home sick from school

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and my stepmother handed me a book

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titled Chariots of the Gods and I'm

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thinking about reading Church stuff

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that's crazy but I'm 16 years old after

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a while of counting ceiling tiles you

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know I picked the book up and was blown

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away and it wasn't just the content

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it was the questions who does that it's

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the way I was raised and you know in

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this little town and you know just in

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the time of day it was you didn't do

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that you didn't rock the boat you didn't

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ask those tough questions and for the

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first time I kind of felt like there was

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permission and I could I could be that

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person in a Bible study that heard about

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everyone following Moses for 40 years

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and knowing that there was someone in

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that crowd just like me then after about

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four years would have kept Moses and

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said hey mo can I see that map for a

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minute so it really you know changed

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everything to where you know I just felt

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like I could ask the things that go

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through my mind that's so funny I mean I

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up in a very sort of traditional Roman

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Catholic household where I did I

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questioned a lot of what I was

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conditioned to sort of believe and I

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even challenged my priests at one point

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during confession and asked him about

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what about UFOs what about aliens what

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does God think about this you know or

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what is the church think about this so I

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love to hear that you know people even

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at that young age are willing to

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challenge what their theirs

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I've been forced or taught to believe I

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really feel like I've had that rebel

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spirit so it's it's for people like us

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that you know have that I think putting

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it in into ufology and and being

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investigators and researchers it's a

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good channel for that rebel spirit you

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okay so that is that's really cool

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Chariots of the Gods that that was one

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of the first books I came across to that

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my barbershop of all things when I was

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when I used to get my hair cut with my

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dad you know every Saturday every other

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Saturday we'd go get our haircut I'd

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sneak a cup of coffee at the age of 12

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thinking I was I was some bad rebel and

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I'd reach area to the god I reach areas

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of the gods excuse me and I'd read a

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chapter every time I went to get my

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haircut and after a few months I was

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hooked

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that's awesome so okay so that's how you

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sort of got involved you know years go

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on you've had extensive work doing all

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types of of stuff from intelligence

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agencies and and whatnot and then you

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you became an investigator for MUFON so

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where did this sauce Tyla how did you

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eventually connect with MUFON and work

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with them the first time I you know it's

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I first got my computer I'm a data

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refugee unlike probably you like I got

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my first computer I was in my 30s and

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you know you get it all hooked up and

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and the first thing I googled or AOL

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searched was UFOs and I found all these

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like little groups already on there and

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I just thought that was amazing and so I

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think that's more where I found MUFON

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everyone was talking about this group

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and so I looked them up and found out

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that you could be an investigator and

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they had a training manual and a test

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and I thought oh my gosh I have no idea

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how to investigate a UFO report because

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we really don't investigate UFOs so yeah

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like how do you do that and they had

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instruction and I really love the system

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I love the way MUFON

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realized and you know versus other

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groups and you know it was pretty good I

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had some states better than others I you

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know my husband's military so we would

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move around a lot and there were some

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states I'd never hear from the state

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director or you know so you know every

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once awhile I have to shake it up it was

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more just it was just so convenient it's

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such a good idea and a good program and

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you know as a non-member I I often would

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find myself critiquing MUFON in how they

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investigated but I always had to rein

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myself in and and remember like I I

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don't know what goes on I don't know how

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exactly the communication is between

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state to state and you know exactly how

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a report is filed or investigated so

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again I would find myself being like

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okay Ryan slow down know your role these

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people are doing their work there's

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there's you know there's protocol set

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for this type of stuff so I I completely

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understand that and I think what a lot

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of people forget too is that it is state

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to state you know so how do you how do

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together as one cohesive unit and I feel

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with any organization that's probably

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close to impossible so I'm sure each

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state has sort of its own approach when

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investigating and whatnot am I sort of

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on the on the right track here I don't

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you are you are absolutely and you know

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it's why we we continue to look for the

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best of the best you know who are the

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leaders who are the people that are

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understand these are volunteers but at

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the same time can motivate you know what

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they volunteer to do and that is to be

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there for the witnesses and you know

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I've been really pushing this agenda of

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own it if you want to be an investigator

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and you're holding that I D own it get

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some equipment hone in your skills be

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good at what you do because the public

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doesn't have anywhere else to go MUFON

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is the only organization that

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investigates so you know not only are we

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the archivist and the historians of

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witness reports you know much like Peter

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Davenport and you know national UFO

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Reporting Center which we adore and have

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a big alliance with right now I'd like

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to talk about that a minute but you know

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it's just you know we're also

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investigating we're the only

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organization

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and it's not just the 50 states you have

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to remember we're international every

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country we're even in Russia I think the

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only one we're not investigating at this

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point is China yeah that makes sense

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yeah right unfortunately but yeah I

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could see that yeah we have to own it

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and we have to you know Abby that'd be

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that solid knowledgeable person out here

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because we tell people we are so I mean

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okay so you did mention it so we might

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as well cover this here

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I've spoken to Peter on several

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occasions to get some reports from him

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just an undeniable treasure trove of

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reports yes about UFOs with this guy and

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for those who don't know this dude he's

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a one-man shop and he works out of what

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is it a decommissioned missile silo he's

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so cute yes he works in a missile silo

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right so this is Peter Davenport he he

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is the head of new Fork right yes okay

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so what is the connection now that you

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have with MUFON and new Fork what do you

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guys what do you guys brewing up over

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there

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well actually MUFON reached out and one

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of the things that we understood and I

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say we as in you know kind of senior

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staff you know Jan and I were really

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putting our heads together it's like

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when did we all become such individuals

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because we all kind of partner each

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other and and assess I mean we work with

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Peter Davenport MUFON and and his his

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database were always comparing he's

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calling Jan we're calling him but what

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about William Puckett and what about

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night cap which is still in force with

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Fran Ridge and sure enough we forged a

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big alliance with made our and working a

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huge case all of us together putting our

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heads putting our best people and best

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minds on it and you know that's really

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where you follow gee started and I

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really think we need to get back to our

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roots and cooperate with one another

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re-establish strong ties of not only

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partnership but cooperation is sharing

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information

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I love the comment from one of the

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people looking you know helping us peer

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review something and he says we're fine

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gave us everything what is it and I'm

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glad

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and thinking of course we are so you

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know I thought that it's just a really

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good move and so we do we have a huge

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alliance it's called Project match and

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you know we're going after the big stuff

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and you recently became the new director

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of investigation am i correct yes that's

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awesome yeah I couldn't think of a

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better person to have in charge of that

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for sure so this is this is kind of the

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the overarching story that I wanted to

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cover here because if anyone hasn't read

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my book or seen one of my presentations

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or one of yours you were part of an

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investigation that trumps pretty much

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any other that I could possibly think of

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in the UFO field again I covered it in

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in my book under the title encounter in

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a cornfield so yeah if you're

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comfortable I I know it this is you know

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this is a bumpy one for sure but you

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were on an investigation with MUFON and

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you had possibly the most dramatic

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encounter I've ever heard

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with other witnesses which is very

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important and when I tell this story at

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my presentations there are audible gasps

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in the audience every time so would you

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mind telling us about what happened on

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this investigation sure but I'd like to

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probably just tell the audience first

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that you know this investigation went on

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for weeks and months mostly you know

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because of the time constraints we just

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kind of tell the good stuff you know and

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and but there were so many details in

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this so before they make a judgement on

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whether they believe it or not you know

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I asked them to read your book and and

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look at the full report and I have left

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that story up to you to tell and you

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were the first one to print it to in a

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book and I was more than happy to let

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you have it because I trusted you with

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it absolutely trust you and I really

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appreciate that yeah and then but I have

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been asked to tell this at a conference

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and it's it's kind of a smaller

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conference so I thought yeah okay I've

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never done that before

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so let me do it so I'm going through the

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slides I'm like oh my gosh I forgot all

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the detail and it's crazy but basically

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you know I had a witness that called and

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you know he was seeing like these are

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light say he didn't call him really orbs

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at first but these round balls of light

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and several of these things were going

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on on the property and he kind of let me

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know right away that these are going on

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every night and you know he and his

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cousins were out there chasing them down

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the road and you know as an investigator

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you know you hone in on every word they

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say and I'm thinking chasing them down

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the road does that mean what do you mean

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chasing them down the road and he would

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save it you know

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these lights would be in front of his

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car and they would just follow and race

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down the road with them they weren't up

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in the sky and they were trying to get

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under them so you know just really

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bizarre incredible sightings that he was

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having and I just wanted to go out there

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and we were stalled for a couple of

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weeks because of a big flood in

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Tennessee that really put the middle of

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Tennessee right under like six to eight

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feet of water from Memphis to Nashville

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so the roads are closed and you know we

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had to wait for water to recede to even

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get to his property because this was out

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in the boonies so we pull up finally we

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get to go and I picked up another start

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team investigator we pull up in his

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driveway and she's freaking out

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I mean she's just like oh my god oh my

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god you didn't tell me this is who it

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was and I'm like who is it because I

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don't follow the sport but he's a very

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prominent sports figure and yeah I I was

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thrilled I got to work with them and

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meet him but I had no idea who he was

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I'm very nice man we get out of the car

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and immediately he takes us kind of to

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the edge of his driveway overlooking

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kind of like this big hill and the

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property went down and it was a lot of

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grass but then you could see a tree line

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wait way down further in the yard and he

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says look it's already happening and he

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points up and he says this is how it

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starts every time and sure enough you

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see these like little clusters of light

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pop in and they weren't like way far

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away like stars they were kind of

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halfway between us so they were

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shockingly different and they would all

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come together and make a formation and

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then kind of move in a singular pattern

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and then they'd all burst away and I'm

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thinking oh my gosh because that's

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hitting our criteria

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of your right angles and stopping quick

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maneuvers yo speed aways all these

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things that you rule out satellites

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drones plane so um you know and finally

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he just said look if you guys don't mind

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let's go there's I have a corn field out

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here and it's you know over a hundred

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acres so we have a panoramic view and

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that's where we're gonna get our best

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look so we're like okay we get in this

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truck we go down to this cornfield sure

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enough you know it's huge I can't I kind

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of looked and I said this is all your

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corn like what do you do with all his

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cool it was you know really a little

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girl from Rhode Island right so we got

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out and set up a like a little table and

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then we pulled the back end of his truck

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down and I had you know some things back

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there and I like to tell this part the

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witness came out and he had this big old

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shotgun and I just kind of stopped and

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looked at him and he said no no no chase

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um you know no worries it's like we have

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problem with coyotes so in case we have

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a problem I've got it covered so we kind

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of set up the table we're in the middle

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of the field and he starts getting

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excited and you know he says here it is

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chase here it is it's coming here it's

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coming there it is and he points off

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into the distance away above a tree line

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and sure enough I see a light but at

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first I'm not sure if it's moving and

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then it's definitely moving and then I

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see two more pop in and just like like

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what is it that I thought they were just

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three unidentified objects at first so I

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get my camera trying to take pictures of

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it during this time my camera's not

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working I'm very frustrated I pick up

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another camera I had four different ones

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what different makes and models and then

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I noticed they're all moving in a way

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that oh my gosh I'm starting to see the

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outline where they're kind of blocking

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out the stars and sure enough if they're

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all attached this is a triangle and it's

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coming right over our head and I'm

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picking up everything I possibly can on

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probably broke one of my rules as an

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investigator but probably dropped an

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f-bomb like you know it's very F in

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there my epic cameras not doing anything

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it's just so frustrating as an

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investigator and I got a couple shots

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off as it was leaving so the further

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away it got you know I managed to get a

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few shots I ended up getting over 600

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photos but you know how many of those

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are good we're still trying to find out

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but um I was thrilled at this point you

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know we just saw clusters you know

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multiple clusters of these lights these

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round light manoeuvring and now at this

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triangle that moved like nothing I'd

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ever seen before it's really hard to

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describe it wasn't gliding flying

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sliding I just it's hard to find the

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word of how it moved through the

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atmosphere and I'm excited I turn around

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the investigator that was with me we're

541
00:22:32,260 --> 00:22:29,540
looking at each other and you know just

542
00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:32,270
like oh my gosh like we're happy dancing

543
00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:34,790
it was insane and so I kind of turned

544
00:22:38,890 --> 00:22:37,100
around because I was worried you know

545
00:22:41,260 --> 00:22:38,900
that all of a sudden all my equipment

546
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:41,270
wasn't working so sure enough I checked

547
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,710
everything everything's back online

548
00:22:46,660 --> 00:22:45,440
showing full batteries because I first

549
00:22:48,730 --> 00:22:46,670
have thought it was a battery drain

550
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:48,740
which is very common in UFO and

551
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,330
paranormal so I just who I am I'm better

552
00:22:58,180 --> 00:22:56,000
safe than sorry I wanted to change the

553
00:23:01,000 --> 00:22:58,190
batteries out of a couple of my most

554
00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:01,010
used pieces of equipment and one was a

555
00:23:05,170 --> 00:23:02,990
Trifield meter so I turned it around a

556
00:23:06,790 --> 00:23:05,180
month screw in the back and just the

557
00:23:08,890 --> 00:23:06,800
weirdest thing I mean you know we're

558
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:08,900
still on adrenaline like this excitement

559
00:23:13,450 --> 00:23:10,970
this is the coolest thing ever to happen

560
00:23:16,150 --> 00:23:13,460
to you this is what every investigator

561
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:16,160
dreams up when they go out on-site I

562
00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:18,770
just saw this with my own two eyes and

563
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:21,830
then all of a sudden I just I remember

564
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:25,370
saying and I'm pretty sure the exact

565
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,890
words were hey guys anyone else feel

566
00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:29,360
like you're being watched and I said I

567
00:23:35,290 --> 00:23:31,580
don't mean from down here and about that

568
00:23:38,020 --> 00:23:35,300
time Ryan is this like fear it was

569
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:38,030
physical but it punched right into my

570
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:38,450
body

571
00:23:45,970 --> 00:23:44,090
terror not fight a flight terror and I

572
00:23:49,150 --> 00:23:45,980
just remember turning and running and

573
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:49,160
when I turned I saw the witness who was

574
00:23:52,990 --> 00:23:51,650
behind me a little bit and the other

575
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:53,000
investigator was four

576
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,370
they're way up but I could I could see

577
00:24:00,010 --> 00:23:57,440
us all turning and running at the exact

578
00:24:02,740 --> 00:24:00,020
same time and as we're running

579
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:02,750
I do remember like being fixated on this

580
00:24:07,810 --> 00:24:04,730
light and this light is going you know

581
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:07,820
big swooping motions right left right

582
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:09,770
left right left and it's really close to

583
00:24:13,390 --> 00:24:11,510
the ground and then all of a sudden I

584
00:24:15,250 --> 00:24:13,400
hit this brick wall and that's what it

585
00:24:17,230 --> 00:24:15,260
felt like and it turned out to be the

586
00:24:20,049 --> 00:24:17,240
witness and I ran into him because he

587
00:24:22,539 --> 00:24:20,059
stopped and the light that had kind of

588
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:22,549
grabs my attention the fact I was also

589
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,110
running faster than I thought I could

590
00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:26,480
was the flashlight he had in his hand

591
00:24:29,620 --> 00:24:27,350
and as he's running

592
00:24:31,630 --> 00:24:29,630
you know what that light is just because

593
00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:31,640
it's real dark but he just said what the

594
00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:35,270
f was that and I just followed my eyes

595
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:37,820
when he he put his left hand out and and

596
00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:40,370
swung that light around and about six

597
00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:42,230
feet from us was this little being just

598
00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:45,580
stand-in there just stand-in there and

599
00:24:52,270 --> 00:24:47,929
not somebody stomach talking about it

600
00:24:54,669 --> 00:24:52,280
but you know it was just like it was one

601
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:54,679
one thousand two and the next thing I

602
00:25:00,580 --> 00:24:58,159
know we're running I'm like it was crazy

603
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:00,590
we jump in his truck the witness takes

604
00:25:07,390 --> 00:25:04,730
off we leave that cornfield so fast we

605
00:25:09,490 --> 00:25:07,400
caught air he had the big ol truck that

606
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:09,500
was really raised up in fact he kind of

607
00:25:14,590 --> 00:25:11,570
had to hoist the other investigator up

608
00:25:17,049 --> 00:25:14,600
you know kind of threw her in you know

609
00:25:18,610 --> 00:25:17,059
just to get her in there yeah yeah and

610
00:25:20,350 --> 00:25:18,620
then he ran around got in the driver's

611
00:25:23,409 --> 00:25:20,360
seat and you know we get into it the

612
00:25:25,390 --> 00:25:23,419
driveway and we're all like stepping out

613
00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:25,400
and I remember thinking what the what

614
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:28,820
the heck what is going on like why did

615
00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:33,110
we run like what was that and and I I'm

616
00:25:36,850 --> 00:25:35,240
just kind of scratching my head because

617
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:36,860
at this point Ryan so many things are

618
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:38,690
going through your head I know what I

619
00:25:43,180 --> 00:25:41,090
saw wait a minute why were we running

620
00:25:45,490 --> 00:25:43,190
where'd that fear go you know I remember

621
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:45,500
had that fear when did it leave I don't

622
00:25:49,299 --> 00:25:46,130
remember

623
00:25:52,779 --> 00:25:49,309
just all sorts of things and at this

624
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,789
point the other investigator we kind of

625
00:25:56,140 --> 00:25:54,559
looked each other and we knew I'm like

626
00:25:58,659 --> 00:25:56,150
we have to call the state director we've

627
00:26:00,250 --> 00:25:58,669
now become witnesses and we can't talk

628
00:26:03,610 --> 00:26:00,260
about this and we can't investigate our

629
00:26:05,049 --> 00:26:03,620
own sighting so she kind of walks down

630
00:26:06,130 --> 00:26:05,059
the driveway a little bit she's on the

631
00:26:08,770 --> 00:26:06,140
phone with Eddie

632
00:26:11,289 --> 00:26:08,780
and you know telling him what's going on

633
00:26:13,330 --> 00:26:11,299
I could hear him going oh my god like

634
00:26:16,419 --> 00:26:13,340
how my wedding you know and the witness

635
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,429
came up and and he's visibly grateful

636
00:26:21,010 --> 00:26:18,799
and relieved is the best way to put this

637
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:21,020
because he dropped down on a knee and he

638
00:26:25,150 --> 00:26:22,970
says chase thank you so much oh my god

639
00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:25,160
like you saw that right you saw that

640
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:28,520
what was it and at this point I've got

641
00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:31,760
some senses back and I just said I you

642
00:26:36,130 --> 00:26:33,920
know I can't tell you he goes he goes

643
00:26:39,340 --> 00:26:36,140
chase what was it and I said it was real

644
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:39,350
and then he said what did they want and

645
00:26:42,430 --> 00:26:41,090
when he said they I kind of thought what

646
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:42,440
do you mean they I didn't see if they I

647
00:26:47,770 --> 00:26:45,679
saw him it what like wait what and at

648
00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:47,780
that point the other investigator kind

649
00:26:50,890 --> 00:26:49,220
of broke up that moment and we started

650
00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:50,900
talking but we were right back in that

651
00:26:56,770 --> 00:26:53,990
cornfield 30 minutes later and you know

652
00:26:59,710 --> 00:26:56,780
to this day it's hard to tell people

653
00:27:02,620 --> 00:26:59,720
that we were controlled out of that

654
00:27:04,990 --> 00:27:02,630
cornfield nobody was a runner the other

655
00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:05,000
investigator wasn't and neither was a

656
00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:07,190
witness remember this is the guy who

657
00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:09,470
brought a shotgun that said hey we have

658
00:27:12,130 --> 00:27:10,580
a problem with coyote

659
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,140
he didn't say bran and get in the truck

660
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:14,960
he brought a shotgun because Ryan this

661
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:17,090
place is so far out in the boonies I

662
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:19,490
mean it's way way out there and it's

663
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:22,010
kind of the what they call that rich and

664
00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:26,720
famous part of Tennessee where they have

665
00:27:34,810 --> 00:27:30,100
these big beautiful you know mile long

666
00:27:37,210 --> 00:27:34,820
ranches you know and yeah it was just it

667
00:27:39,130 --> 00:27:37,220
was just crazy but they're so out there

668
00:27:41,860 --> 00:27:39,140
they don't dial nine-one-one they call

669
00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:41,870
the cops come and you know clean up a

670
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,150
mess or tell them what happened but you

671
00:27:47,169 --> 00:27:45,440
know these aren't people that run these

672
00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:47,179
are people that know they have to handle

673
00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:49,160
whatever comes their way and so after a

674
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:51,980
while you know it's it's a terrible

675
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,690
position also to be in as an

676
00:27:59,650 --> 00:27:56,000
investigator because Scott law tells us

677
00:28:02,169 --> 00:27:59,660
that no one person's testimony validates

678
00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:02,179
an event and that's all I have the

679
00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:03,740
witness does not want to come out he

680
00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:05,270
didn't want him to be the crazy guy that

681
00:28:11,860 --> 00:28:08,200
saw UFOs the other investigator

682
00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:11,870
literally within two weeks of the

683
00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:13,700
sighting got in a car drove away from

684
00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:15,830
her family or husband and you know she

685
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:18,470
was missing for awhile I'd say I did

686
00:28:21,850 --> 00:28:19,490
hear a rumor that they

687
00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:21,860
founder which was good but you know she

688
00:28:26,650 --> 00:28:24,200
left she's not on the record it's really

689
00:28:28,390 --> 00:28:26,660
hard and we went back out there I

690
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:28,400
couldn't find any physical evidence I

691
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:30,710
couldn't find trace evidence and you

692
00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:32,330
know the photos are you know it's a

693
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:34,460
lightness guy who cares nobody cares I

694
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,250
don't and so I'm like uh

695
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:39,200
so I'm really hoping one day the the

696
00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:43,010
witness will come forward but instead of

697
00:28:46,090 --> 00:28:44,900
trying to figure out what was going on

698
00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:46,100
and oh my gosh

699
00:28:51,310 --> 00:28:48,860
Ryan trust me I've tried I've listened

700
00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:51,320
to the most crazy conspiracy type

701
00:28:55,780 --> 00:28:52,790
theories but I'll listen to anything

702
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:55,790
anything that might put the pieces

703
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,130
together what happened but there's a

704
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:00,320
couple of things I do know I do know

705
00:29:03,790 --> 00:29:02,570
that whatever was going on out there we

706
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:03,800
weren't supposed to be there

707
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:06,890
we were controlled to run and that fear

708
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:08,809
I would not wish on my worst enemy

709
00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:10,790
and I want nothing to do with it anymore

710
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:12,670
the good things that came out of that

711
00:29:19,090 --> 00:29:16,490
was that's when I owned my title that's

712
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:19,100
when I decided we've got to get better

713
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:21,770
we have to be better than just you know

714
00:29:27,610 --> 00:29:24,050
standing around in a cornfield how do we

715
00:29:30,580 --> 00:29:27,620
do this better with witnesses it was

716
00:29:32,590 --> 00:29:30,590
just it was nutty it was crazy

717
00:29:36,130 --> 00:29:32,600
and this story should be absolutely

718
00:29:40,210 --> 00:29:36,140
ridiculous except I saw it and every

719
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,220
detail I tell you is true and the thing

720
00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:42,320
the thing that bothers me the most is if

721
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:44,660
if I could make up a story it'd be so

722
00:29:50,169 --> 00:29:46,610
much better than this because I'm a

723
00:29:51,850 --> 00:29:50,179
ufologist I know you know what makes a

724
00:29:54,730 --> 00:29:51,860
credible story you don't put together

725
00:29:57,130 --> 00:29:54,740
all this craziness but unfortunately

726
00:29:58,930 --> 00:29:57,140
that's what I got handed and telling the

727
00:30:01,200 --> 00:29:58,940
truth just there's so many aspects to

728
00:30:05,260 --> 00:30:01,210
this you know like you said the the

729
00:30:07,690 --> 00:30:05,270
really you know messy details that no

730
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:07,700
one would feel or experience unless they

731
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:09,230
were there and I think that's important

732
00:30:12,580 --> 00:30:10,910
when I tell you know when I sort of

733
00:30:14,290 --> 00:30:12,590
recall this story in my talks people

734
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:14,300
come up and they're they asked me you

735
00:30:18,580 --> 00:30:16,970
know oh why didn't they stay and try to

736
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:18,590
like communicate with this being or this

737
00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:21,530
but like you said we weren't there and

738
00:30:26,049 --> 00:30:24,350
that's kind of me as a researcher that's

739
00:30:29,470 --> 00:30:26,059
kind of the biggest thing I've learned

740
00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:29,480
is not to judge witnesses not to to

741
00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:31,790
assume what happened because I was not

742
00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:32,630
there in that

743
00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:34,670
when it right well I wish we had the

744
00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:38,150
option you know the key point here is we

745
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:39,980
didn't know what we didn't turn around

746
00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:42,710
and run we all of a sudden I felt that

747
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:44,660
we were controlled whatever is going on

748
00:30:49,450 --> 00:30:47,510
we all did it at the exact same time ran

749
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:49,460
the same direction nobody said anything

750
00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:52,730
like what was that her run or everybody

751
00:30:56,770 --> 00:30:55,220
just did it and everybody was shocked at

752
00:30:58,540 --> 00:30:56,780
the end that we did it so it was

753
00:31:01,000 --> 00:30:58,550
definitely something we had no control

754
00:31:02,530 --> 00:31:01,010
over and you know and those are the

755
00:31:05,050 --> 00:31:02,540
things that people get confused with

756
00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:05,060
would I love a chance again to you know

757
00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:07,400
stop dead and and have a being six feet

758
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,750
from me heck yeah

759
00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:10,640
and it even goes further than that

760
00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:14,600
because as I did a recording for you

761
00:31:19,570 --> 00:31:16,660
because you wanted to follow up on

762
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,580
people who had you know really good

763
00:31:24,430 --> 00:31:21,440
sightings like your real real

764
00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:24,440
extraterrestrial type events and how do

765
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:26,270
they feel now like where are they now

766
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:31,010
on that topic and it's deeper so this

767
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:32,930
has really turned into not about me as

768
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:35,840
much as trying to understand why that

769
00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:38,510
being was in a field you know and even

770
00:31:42,580 --> 00:31:40,160
then it's I can't go there

771
00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:42,590
you know whatever happened that night is

772
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:45,950
just it's it's too much it's too much

773
00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:48,650
I completely understand and I mean I can

774
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,630
only imagine how that's impacted your

775
00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:53,120
investigations moving forward now

776
00:31:57,670 --> 00:31:55,400
becoming a witness having that empathy

777
00:32:00,840 --> 00:31:57,680
for those who've experienced it being in

778
00:32:04,270 --> 00:32:00,850
their shoes how is that impacted your

779
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:04,280
investigations moving forward I think I

780
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,110
just wanted to be better there came a

781
00:32:09,790 --> 00:32:08,240
time when we're going through the field

782
00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:09,800
and I'm thinking I'm missing something

783
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:11,870
you know and to this day to this day

784
00:32:15,970 --> 00:32:13,310
Brian I'm the first one to admit

785
00:32:17,740 --> 00:32:15,980
something was wrong that night I know

786
00:32:21,130 --> 00:32:17,750
something was wrong I'm still trying to

787
00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:21,140
find it something was off whatever that

788
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:23,000
means I can't tell you I could just tell

789
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:25,130
you the best way to describe my gut is

790
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:28,790
something was off and if I couldn't find

791
00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:31,130
it or if I couldn't find footprints well

792
00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:32,840
maybe it wasn't that they weren't there

793
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:35,150
maybe it's because I've never done that

794
00:32:40,510 --> 00:32:38,210
before so how do we find him you know

795
00:32:43,270 --> 00:32:40,520
and now of course I bring lights out and

796
00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:43,280
you know not just um UV lights we know

797
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:45,230
that different color lens lenses on

798
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:45,910
glasses

799
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:49,030
and then put a green light out there

800
00:32:52,290 --> 00:32:50,410
you're gonna find a different trace

801
00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:52,300
evidence than you would under a UV light

802
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:55,900
so this is what I wanted to know is how

803
00:33:01,260 --> 00:32:58,330
do I actually find evidence of these

804
00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:01,270
events and you know what's available to

805
00:33:06,030 --> 00:33:04,180
us so I did I went and ended up being

806
00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:06,040
certified I am now an expert forensic

807
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:08,200
collector and the evidence collection

808
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:12,310
and custodian property manager and you

809
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,230
know and I did it through not just a

810
00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:16,480
UFOs field I did this through law

811
00:33:19,470 --> 00:33:18,190
enforcement so you know I'm certified

812
00:33:22,410 --> 00:33:19,480
through the National Institute of

813
00:33:24,570 --> 00:33:22,420
justice and I just wanted to really be

814
00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:24,580
good because I'll tell you Ryan I'm

815
00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:27,160
after that event I don't know how many

816
00:33:32,550 --> 00:33:30,790
more stories the field can handle of my

817
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:32,560
grandfather knew somebody that worked

818
00:33:39,630 --> 00:33:36,130
for area 51 or you know this light in

819
00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:39,640
the sky you know it was star size and it

820
00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:41,350
moved to the right and it was going east

821
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,040
we've got tens of thousands of bees I

822
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:46,000
really just want to focus on the

823
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:48,310
evidence I you know what we need to do

824
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:51,490
to crack this open is to get that

825
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:54,640
evidence period period yeah and we're

826
00:33:58,170 --> 00:33:56,110
gonna get to that evidence in a little

827
00:34:00,090 --> 00:33:58,180
bit I want to talk to you about some

828
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:00,100
other people who are working on some

829
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:02,410
stuff right now with UFOs but we'll get

830
00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:05,710
to that but that event chase I mean it

831
00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:07,750
just again there is something off about

832
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:10,990
it it almost seemed planned in some sort

833
00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:13,210
of weird way but again like you said

834
00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:15,940
still we may never know what actually

835
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:17,800
happened out there in that field and you

836
00:34:22,590 --> 00:34:19,810
were there ground zero as it happened

837
00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:22,600
and you still don't know so again I wish

838
00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:25,030
you all the best with trying to find

839
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:27,700
answers to that but also not you know

840
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:29,470
maybe we'll never know what truly

841
00:34:34,020 --> 00:34:31,330
happened out there that's kind of what

842
00:34:35,970 --> 00:34:34,030
this phenomenon always does to us it's

843
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:35,980
as frustrating as that is it's also

844
00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:39,550
exactly you know they're always a step

845
00:34:43,770 --> 00:34:42,340
ahead and we keep trying and we keep

846
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:43,780
trying and like you said that evidence

847
00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:46,330
is very important and we will get to

848
00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:48,460
that shortly but the next thing I I

849
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:51,340
wanted to touch on with you is sort of

850
00:34:57,570 --> 00:34:54,850
an an offset of what you you do in the

851
00:34:59,310 --> 00:34:57,580
field and beyond something that blew my

852
00:35:01,080 --> 00:34:59,320
mind and that I've never put

853
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:01,090
a lot of my own personal time into

854
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:03,370
looking into and that's investigating

855
00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:06,310
you know new and alternate history and

856
00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:08,230
you've you've been working for a while

857
00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:10,750
now with an expedition team in Peru of

858
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:13,300
all gasps yeah we know Peru well now in

859
00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:18,490
the UFO field but yeah I would love to

860
00:35:23,490 --> 00:35:20,440
hear more about what you're doing with

861
00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:23,500
this team and what your sort of focus is

862
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:26,670
with doing that I mean this is amazing

863
00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:30,370
though we've been visited not just

864
00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:32,950
centuries but basically from the

865
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:36,190
beginning of our history as homo sapiens

866
00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:39,250
sapiens and even even further beckon

867
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:41,350
back in the past so there's got to be

868
00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:43,390
evidence somewhere and again that's what

869
00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:46,360
we're looking for is the evidence of you

870
00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:49,270
know the past contact that we believe

871
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:51,820
whether this is a biblical narrative of

872
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:55,210
angels and gods or if this is you know

873
00:36:01,560 --> 00:35:58,480
extra intelligent beings and these

874
00:36:03,090 --> 00:36:01,570
entities from different planets at this

875
00:36:05,490 --> 00:36:03,100
point we're really trying to figure out

876
00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:05,500
is it one or the other can we determine

877
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:08,440
this can we can we find the differences

878
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:12,430
between you know human effort and that

879
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,480
uh maybe Giants or hybrid race or even

880
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:18,400
through some of the architecture and of

881
00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:20,740
course the cyclopean you know megalithic

882
00:36:25,110 --> 00:36:23,020
structures are you know one of the first

883
00:36:29,250 --> 00:36:25,120
things we're looking for because these

884
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:29,260
are you know huge huge many many tons of

885
00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:32,650
rock that form perfectly next to each

886
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:35,320
other with no martyr so you know that

887
00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:36,910
that's an engineering feat that we

888
00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:39,940
cannot copy today and very intrigued

889
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:41,260
with some of this stuff so it's really

890
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:43,450
just you know looking for you know

891
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:45,460
things that haven't been found before

892
00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:48,070
and we're putting boots in areas that

893
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:49,780
have never seen human feet it's

894
00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:52,210
dangerous the last trip we made down

895
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:53,560
there was most dangerous thing I've ever

896
00:36:58,830 --> 00:36:56,170
done and I honestly can't wait to do it

897
00:37:00,900 --> 00:36:58,840
again this is amazing but I will tell

898
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:00,910
you the scariest thing ever in an Amazon

899
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:04,000
in the Amazon jungle are these friggin

900
00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:06,370
little things called bullet ants oh my

901
00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:08,590
gosh they scared the crap out of me

902
00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:10,270
because it's the most painful bite and

903
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:12,849
yeah so you know the tarantulas

904
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:14,710
you know they get a little ooh but those

905
00:37:20,549 --> 00:37:16,450
bullet ants and be running screaming

906
00:37:23,009 --> 00:37:20,559
like the biggest girl ever you know it's

907
00:37:24,499 --> 00:37:23,019
so funny you know we we never to think

908
00:37:26,849 --> 00:37:24,509
of those things when we see these

909
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,859
expedition shows or these you know

910
00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:29,200
pseudo archaeologists going out there

911
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:31,180
and looking for stuff you forget that

912
00:37:35,999 --> 00:37:32,890
there there are things out there that do

913
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,009
not want you there absolutely because

914
00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:38,079
where we were everything wanted to eat

915
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:41,380
us everything plants animals you know

916
00:37:45,569 --> 00:37:43,690
you name it but it's amazing chase

917
00:37:48,749 --> 00:37:45,579
because I'm seeing like images of you

918
00:37:50,789 --> 00:37:48,759
like actually analyzing these things you

919
00:37:52,769 --> 00:37:50,799
know from a scientific method point of

920
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:52,779
view and what what is this team called

921
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:53,890
by the way I don't think I mentioned

922
00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:54,400
that

923
00:38:00,210 --> 00:37:57,220
it's called eco quest enterprises and

924
00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:00,220
it's led by Timothy albariño which is

925
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:03,640
best known probably for Gen 6 and in Sun

926
00:38:11,269 --> 00:38:08,890
and Sun bronze boja cruise and he's a an

927
00:38:14,779 --> 00:38:11,279
explorer and a very successful

928
00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:14,789
archaeologist he's got many big big

929
00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:17,950
expeditions and a discovery already

930
00:38:22,170 --> 00:38:20,140
under his belt and you know I really

931
00:38:23,489 --> 00:38:22,180
really encourage people to go look him

932
00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:23,499
up you can find him on the internet

933
00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:28,660
under boja cruise which is Bo h IC r uz

934
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:31,900
and you know between Timothy and and Sun

935
00:38:36,539 --> 00:38:34,960
and it's just amazing and we are we're

936
00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:36,549
going places where we've never been

937
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:38,950
before nobody has been before and

938
00:38:43,979 --> 00:38:41,710
picking up some evidence I work out

939
00:38:46,319 --> 00:38:43,989
there and it is very science I have my

940
00:38:49,739 --> 00:38:46,329
field kits and you know trying to set up

941
00:38:52,979 --> 00:38:49,749
a clean room or a clean space in the

942
00:38:56,279 --> 00:38:52,989
Amazon you know to take forensics and

943
00:38:58,890 --> 00:38:56,289
you know film every step to show that we

944
00:39:00,989 --> 00:38:58,900
had prudence it's yeah it's amazing I

945
00:39:04,940 --> 00:39:00,999
love it I love it out there and you

946
00:39:09,539 --> 00:39:04,950
living with a tribe for five days of

947
00:39:12,479 --> 00:39:09,549
Headshrinkers was interesting I could

948
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:12,489
only imagine so you know it's just it's

949
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:14,710
just fun to be in that arena because um

950
00:39:19,469 --> 00:39:17,049
you know I live in DC and that's enough

951
00:39:22,739 --> 00:39:19,479
of a jungle so you know to get out there

952
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:22,749
in the Amazon with the air and oh my

953
00:39:26,609 --> 00:39:24,660
gosh I can't wait to go back where I am

954
00:39:29,549 --> 00:39:26,619
one jungle to it

955
00:39:32,009 --> 00:39:29,559
there for sure well okay so you

956
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:32,019
mentioned DC this is what I wanted to

957
00:39:36,359 --> 00:39:34,210
cover with you next besides working for

958
00:39:39,059 --> 00:39:36,369
MUFON you know going to Peru and doing

959
00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:39,069
all these amazing expeditions in 2016

960
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:41,980
you became a lobbyist for the UFO field

961
00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:44,529
you are fighting the fight for us down

962
00:39:48,569 --> 00:39:47,140
in DC Jaso what what made you want to do

963
00:39:51,059 --> 00:39:48,579
this what it what did you hope to

964
00:39:53,759 --> 00:39:51,069
achieve in becoming a UFO lobbyist this

965
00:39:55,650 --> 00:39:53,769
is awesome yeah it was it was really

966
00:39:58,890 --> 00:39:55,660
Steve Bassett and you know being a

967
00:40:02,160 --> 00:39:58,900
witness to an extraordinary event that

968
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:02,170
produced a lot of forward movement for

969
00:40:06,809 --> 00:40:04,089
us as ufologists and that was the

970
00:40:08,849 --> 00:40:06,819
citizens hearing for disclosure and you

971
00:40:11,549 --> 00:40:08,859
know I know they were former Congress

972
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:11,559
and Senators and if anybody knows how DC

973
00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:13,450
works they probably have more political

974
00:40:19,950 --> 00:40:15,430
clout to call the president than the

975
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:19,960
seeded ones right now but right but you

976
00:40:23,549 --> 00:40:21,430
know I watched them come in on a Monday

977
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:23,559
and they were being polite and they were

978
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:26,950
listening by Wednesday we had half of

979
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:28,630
them standing up saying we need those

980
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:31,450
files open so what I realized is when

981
00:40:35,729 --> 00:40:33,249
you approach these people who have no

982
00:40:38,099 --> 00:40:35,739
idea no idea of what's going on they're

983
00:40:40,799 --> 00:40:38,109
not being read in the secret keepers are

984
00:40:44,279 --> 00:40:40,809
not these guys sitting in the house or

985
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:44,289
the Senate with the right language we

986
00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:46,630
can educate them and they get it I saw

987
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,150
it at the citizens hearing so when we

988
00:40:54,210 --> 00:40:51,839
kind of thought what are we not doing as

989
00:40:56,249 --> 00:40:54,220
ufologists in this field well we're

990
00:40:58,739 --> 00:40:56,259
really not including the scientist and

991
00:41:01,680 --> 00:40:58,749
the lawmakers could have been brutal to

992
00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:01,690
us in the past and you know not being

993
00:41:08,190 --> 00:41:04,180
afraid to have a door shut my face I've

994
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:08,200
really elicit both and I use science a

995
00:41:14,249 --> 00:41:10,569
lot of scientists to test a lot of labs

996
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,259
because I won't use UFO labs because you

997
00:41:18,089 --> 00:41:16,480
know it's like the prosecution trying to

998
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:18,099
prove the case with only their witnesses

999
00:41:22,829 --> 00:41:20,950
okay so you know I use very independent

1000
00:41:26,009 --> 00:41:22,839
labs a scientists and I've learned as

1001
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:26,019
long as I'm not saying hey I think this

1002
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:28,630
metals from a mothership yeah it's like

1003
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:30,910
hey I got some metal you test metal can

1004
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:32,470
I send you this metal how much is that

1005
00:41:36,210 --> 00:41:33,130
going to cost

1006
00:41:39,569 --> 00:41:36,220
and we're good to go and and I'm getting

1007
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:39,579
really noted laughs and and some of the

1008
00:41:42,090 --> 00:41:40,510
guys that I've

1009
00:41:44,730 --> 00:41:42,100
even had examine our stuffer up from

1010
00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:44,740
four Nobel Peace Prize so yeah and

1011
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,900
knowing that okay well we walked through

1012
00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:48,640
that door what's the next one

1013
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:50,320
so I kind of thought we have to get our

1014
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:51,850
lawmakers because we're never going to

1015
00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:53,500
get anything Declassified we're never

1016
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:55,600
going to change anything with the secret

1017
00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:58,390
keepers or to have any transparency if

1018
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:00,910
we don't start including the very people

1019
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:03,490
that can do it you know so now I mean

1020
00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:05,470
I'm working on this case and this

1021
00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:07,600
alliance that we have you know MUFON

1022
00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:09,460
thought it was really important to

1023
00:42:14,250 --> 00:42:13,300
include nightcap and NuForce and you

1024
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:14,260
know all the people that have been

1025
00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:17,650
working very hard on a case that also

1026
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:19,840
offers a lot of evidence and evidence

1027
00:42:25,830 --> 00:42:22,410
that they would understand meaning they

1028
00:42:28,410 --> 00:42:25,840
the House and Senate so we are we're

1029
00:42:31,350 --> 00:42:28,420
getting ready as soon as this reports

1030
00:42:33,090 --> 00:42:31,360
finalized and you know I've got a senior

1031
00:42:36,780 --> 00:42:33,100
staffer that's willing to give me ten

1032
00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:36,790
minutes in a subcommittee and I'm gonna

1033
00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:38,500
take it and that ten minutes hopefully

1034
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:40,420
leads into thirty four the next thing

1035
00:42:44,970 --> 00:42:42,580
I've got ten minutes to convince them

1036
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:44,980
that we have something they need to pay

1037
00:42:49,350 --> 00:42:47,410
attention to and I think for the most

1038
00:42:51,810 --> 00:42:49,360
part honestly for the most part these

1039
00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:51,820
guys have no idea no idea what's going

1040
00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:54,550
on here and I also know they don't give

1041
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:56,440
two craps about Roswell they don't want

1042
00:43:00,810 --> 00:42:58,090
to hear about Rendlesham they don't want

1043
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:00,820
to hear any of that because what they're

1044
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:02,590
concerned with every single day is

1045
00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:06,060
national security threat assessment and

1046
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:09,160
basically how they look so thanks we're

1047
00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:11,410
but you know they look at something like

1048
00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:12,760
Rendlesham and you know back in the 80s

1049
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:13,900
and they're like well how does that

1050
00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:15,910
affect us today right I don't see the

1051
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:17,830
connection why am I wasting my time on

1052
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:19,810
this so it took us a little bit to

1053
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:23,040
actually get a case that does absolutely

1054
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:26,490
demonstrate civilian and military

1055
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,190
concern and with enough evidence that

1056
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:32,800
you know it'd be provable in a court of

1057
00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:33,040
law

1058
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:35,590
and getting our talking points together

1059
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:37,930
and presenting this very scientifically

1060
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:41,290
and with a national security interest no

1061
00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:43,810
ufos no aliens I'm praying we get that

1062
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:46,030
thirty minutes but this is how we do it

1063
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:48,310
Brian I'm convinced that we have to talk

1064
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:51,310
and we know that to the Stars Academy

1065
00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:53,740
they're doing the same thing doing a lot

1066
00:43:57,060 --> 00:43:54,460
of work

1067
00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:57,070
with Congress and the one thing I want

1068
00:44:01,650 --> 00:43:59,050
people to know I've never had to show my

1069
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,660
Lobby ID not one time I have walked in

1070
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:03,760
and I made my phone calls and I pick up

1071
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:05,890
that phone and I worked it until I found

1072
00:44:11,609 --> 00:44:08,410
the right place I'm not special and

1073
00:44:14,370 --> 00:44:11,619
neither are they everybody that is a

1074
00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:14,380
citizen and pays taxes has a right to

1075
00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:16,150
talk to the people in those seats and

1076
00:44:20,910 --> 00:44:18,820
you know my lobbyist did not get my

1077
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:20,920
lobbyist ID didn't get me any further

1078
00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:24,310
being sensible did I can tell you that

1079
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:27,400
Lou Elizondo it's got a big uphill

1080
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:29,470
battle right now because you know once

1081
00:44:33,150 --> 00:44:31,690
you're out you're out he's not gonna get

1082
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:33,160
any more information from a tip

1083
00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:34,330
absolutely not

1084
00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:37,030
my husband's retired he's out they're

1085
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:38,440
not calling him giving him you know

1086
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,570
movement of submarines and you know hey

1087
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:41,920
what do you think of it you're out

1088
00:44:47,579 --> 00:44:45,490
you're out so you know I just really

1089
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:47,589
want to encourage people to join me

1090
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:50,560
let's do this you know there's no stars

1091
00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:53,170
out here as far as um you know people

1092
00:44:58,109 --> 00:44:55,540
being special every one of us can talk

1093
00:45:01,470 --> 00:44:58,119
to the CIA we can knock on the doors and

1094
00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:01,480
of the DIA and ask questions and it's

1095
00:45:05,099 --> 00:45:02,980
really a you know for the people that

1096
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,109
are kind of rowdy and rebel spirited

1097
00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:07,359
like we are we'd love to you know start

1098
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:09,790
start this discussion especially if you

1099
00:45:13,770 --> 00:45:11,890
live near desync and it could show up

1100
00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:13,780
here and walk in with me I would love

1101
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:16,660
that that's awesome well I'm gonna be in

1102
00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:19,510
Baltimore in November so you've got a

1103
00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:21,700
guest with you coming pretty soon chase

1104
00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:24,700
I could tell you that much I love it and

1105
00:45:28,589 --> 00:45:26,740
that's probably not the worst timing and

1106
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:28,599
I'm pretty sure I think I saw you as a

1107
00:45:34,109 --> 00:45:31,570
guest on alien comm which is awesome

1108
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:34,119
yeah they invited me back for some

1109
00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:34,720
reason

1110
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:37,030
that's awesome Ryan and to tell you the

1111
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,030
truth um we were talking about maybe be

1112
00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:42,160
running panels or you know some people I

1113
00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:43,990
just can't I have I'm gonna be in

1114
00:45:48,329 --> 00:45:46,180
Arizona see this is what happens to us

1115
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,339
Ryan I would be in Arizona at boot camp

1116
00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:50,800
um could be teaching advanced evidence

1117
00:45:58,980 --> 00:45:56,920
collection oh god see I mean this is

1118
00:46:01,290 --> 00:45:58,990
what I love like you you're not a

1119
00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:01,300
one-trick pony chase you you never have

1120
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:04,030
been you're not just a UFO person you

1121
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:06,310
you're out there like serving your

1122
00:46:10,410 --> 00:46:08,110
country doing what you

1123
00:46:11,130 --> 00:46:10,420
to do in helping people so I think

1124
00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:11,140
that's awesome

1125
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:14,830
I really do Thanks I just really you

1126
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:16,660
know I people were good to me coming in

1127
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:19,870
you know it's it's awesome and I just

1128
00:46:24,090 --> 00:46:22,480
remember it was really a struggle in a

1129
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:24,100
big picture it was a struggle it's a

1130
00:46:30,030 --> 00:46:26,770
good old boys network where we're

1131
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:30,040
throwing those walls down and you know

1132
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:32,050
things are getting much better now and I

1133
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:33,520
think it's because you know we're

1134
00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:35,530
working hard and and things are changing

1135
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,080
our conversations are changing and you

1136
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:40,560
know we're stepping up to a more modern

1137
00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:44,110
method and and real science and that's

1138
00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:46,270
really available to us now I mean you

1139
00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:47,860
know 10 years ago we couldn't buy

1140
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:50,350
forensic equipment only you know law

1141
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:52,330
enforcement so but now it is available

1142
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:55,090
so you know some of it's um you know

1143
00:47:00,000 --> 00:46:57,730
just availability of what we can use now

1144
00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:00,010
but we're on it you're on it you're on

1145
00:47:04,770 --> 00:47:02,500
it yeah and I think another big thing a

1146
00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:04,780
concern the scientific community seems

1147
00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:07,420
to have is this atom research project or

1148
00:47:13,110 --> 00:47:10,120
to the Stars or other organizations that

1149
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,120
are attempting to analyze you know

1150
00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:15,280
materials again we're not saying alien

1151
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:16,750
we're saying materials that might be

1152
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:20,350
exotic somehow is that they're so damn

1153
00:47:24,990 --> 00:47:22,930
stubborn and not willing to give these

1154
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:25,000
people the benefit of the doubt and I

1155
00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:28,090
think what's what really has bothered me

1156
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:31,390
lately are the the scientific people who

1157
00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:34,090
aren't willing to give these civilians a

1158
00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:37,180
chance you know god I bid someone

1159
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:40,390
actually try to do something and move

1160
00:47:45,110 --> 00:47:42,370
the field forward and try to get some

1161
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,120
answers scientifically I mean God forbid

1162
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:47,920
right I have a big problem with that

1163
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:49,510
when to the stars first came around

1164
00:47:53,850 --> 00:47:51,580
maybe I was a bit hesitant but like I'm

1165
00:47:55,860 --> 00:47:53,860
on board I I'm not a member i I don't

1166
00:47:58,500 --> 00:47:55,870
contribute I'm a journalist I want to

1167
00:48:00,750 --> 00:47:58,510
stay disconnected so that I can have

1168
00:48:04,410 --> 00:48:00,760
that objective view of as this all plays

1169
00:48:06,930 --> 00:48:04,420
out but like you said you know you have

1170
00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:06,940
to do the work if you're just sitting

1171
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:08,740
there what are you contributing to any

1172
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:10,770
of this that's kind of how I look at it

1173
00:48:16,110 --> 00:48:13,690
yeah absolutely and you know we don't

1174
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,120
mind skeptics weighing in or know people

1175
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:18,640
but know what you're talking about like

1176
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:21,130
back it up because you know I put out my

1177
00:48:23,340 --> 00:48:21,850
reports

1178
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:23,350
show me yours you can't just say on

1179
00:48:28,050 --> 00:48:25,720
Facebook yeah I don't buy it because um

1180
00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:28,060
oh it's a drone why is it a drone

1181
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:30,220
because these proclamations aren't good

1182
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:33,490
enough anymore but you know i-i-i love

1183
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:37,090
to the stars academy i almost think if i

1184
00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:38,890
had to do it over would i do it that way

1185
00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:41,350
yep I sure would we have a lot of drama

1186
00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:46,180
in ufology sometimes and to sever myself

1187
00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:48,040
from all of that it has always been a

1188
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,740
challenge and I try to continue to do

1189
00:48:54,450 --> 00:48:52,720
that but you know to just kind of get

1190
00:48:57,150 --> 00:48:54,460
your own group of scientists you know

1191
00:49:00,480 --> 00:48:57,160
Bigelow did it with knids and you know

1192
00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:00,490
they dismissed ufologist and you know

1193
00:49:04,290 --> 00:49:02,590
I'm not so sure that we didn't deserve a

1194
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:04,300
little bit of that we've been working on

1195
00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:06,130
this for seventy years it's time to get

1196
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:09,190
busy guys we can't play around our our

1197
00:49:14,010 --> 00:49:11,500
time is running out

1198
00:49:16,290 --> 00:49:14,020
and you know these guys I don't see them

1199
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:16,300
as a challenge I see them as you know

1200
00:49:21,870 --> 00:49:19,090
almost a helpmate because you know to

1201
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:21,880
the stars Tommen and Liu have a close

1202
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,970
relationship with MUFON so you know they

1203
00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:26,800
are kind of working but they are they're

1204
00:49:30,810 --> 00:49:28,540
keeping their cards very close to their

1205
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:30,820
best and we don't so you know there may

1206
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:33,010
be some concerns I love that they're

1207
00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:34,630
trying to investigate I think they're

1208
00:49:39,690 --> 00:49:37,360
finding that's not as easy as watching

1209
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,700
Ghost Hunters on TV and then you know

1210
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:41,680
getting a couple pieces of equipment and

1211
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:43,870
going out there yeah there's a lot of

1212
00:49:50,490 --> 00:49:47,680
concerns one thing I see is sterilized

1213
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:50,500
gloves you know a big mistake you see

1214
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:51,970
people putting on you know these gloves

1215
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:54,610
and that looks great no not if you're

1216
00:49:58,290 --> 00:49:55,800
picking up evidence

1217
00:50:01,110 --> 00:49:58,300
latex gloves protects you from

1218
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:01,120
contamination sterile gloves protects

1219
00:50:05,790 --> 00:50:04,090
your evidence so yeah and that

1220
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:05,800
cross-contamination you know from those

1221
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:07,030
gloves that you just pull out of that

1222
00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:09,730
big box they're not sterile you know so

1223
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:11,950
that cross-contamination is so if they

1224
00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:13,990
were made in Mexico those gloves you

1225
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:15,700
know it somehow had that dust from that

1226
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:17,530
you know something in there yes who

1227
00:50:24,750 --> 00:50:21,400
knows yeah so it's just there's a lot a

1228
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:24,760
lot more to it there's a process for

1229
00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:26,740
your evidence to be admissible you just

1230
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:28,780
can't pick up a piece of metal and run

1231
00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:30,190
it through a lab and say oh here it is

1232
00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:31,660
guys you know you have to have it

1233
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:33,340
forensic ly photographs you have to have

1234
00:50:37,049 --> 00:50:35,170
it you know in a catalog

1235
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:37,059
you know so that we can always make sure

1236
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:39,250
that metal is exactly what was tested

1237
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:41,290
and where you got it and you know we ran

1238
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:43,210
into this with Rendlesham metal you know

1239
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:45,250
some guys like hey I got this metal from

1240
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:48,220
Rendlesham well first of all whatever

1241
00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:52,510
right yeah how do we know you got it

1242
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,190
from you know cuz I could show you

1243
00:50:57,780 --> 00:50:56,079
exactly where I picked it up not good

1244
00:50:59,460 --> 00:50:57,790
enough buddy we have to hit

1245
00:51:02,099 --> 00:50:59,470
admissibility we have to work these

1246
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:02,109
cases like it's a homicide and it's the

1247
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:04,720
same rules of evidence it's the same

1248
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:07,270
rules we're and and I think is ufologist

1249
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:09,609
we've tried to push these cases forward

1250
00:51:16,020 --> 00:51:12,730
as though they were admissible and we

1251
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:16,030
weren't following lawful process so

1252
00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:17,680
without that I think they're I think

1253
00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:19,150
they're gonna have some challenges with

1254
00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:22,390
that and the thing that would help them

1255
00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:26,200
the most is to ask people or bring on

1256
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:28,660
that expert there's plenty out here you

1257
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:31,089
know you know so I I worry about that

1258
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:33,250
because I actually saw a picture Ana on

1259
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:36,010
to the Stars site I think it was a tweet

1260
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:39,839
and I went and and it it shows Lou

1261
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,319
holding a camera photographs l phone

1262
00:51:48,210 --> 00:51:46,000
photographing evidence not bad at all

1263
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:48,220
but he had his gloves on so of course my

1264
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:49,750
comment was I hope after he put the

1265
00:52:00,120 --> 00:51:57,780
right you know throws me up in the air

1266
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,130
but yeah and you know I know your

1267
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:02,079
concerns are valid as many other

1268
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:03,730
scientists may be out there or

1269
00:52:07,799 --> 00:52:05,650
investigators and I think you're right

1270
00:52:09,809 --> 00:52:07,809
you know since to the stars just put out

1271
00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:09,819
some of their videos and whatnot within

1272
00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:11,740
days the UFO community is like oh you

1273
00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:12,790
shouldn't be doing that you should be

1274
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:14,440
doing this or this or that

1275
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:16,180
so I think you know I don't know about

1276
00:52:21,870 --> 00:52:19,030
you instead of just being extremely

1277
00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:21,880
volatile to these people trying you know

1278
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:24,280
trying like you said let's help them and

1279
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:25,630
let's show them that like we're willing

1280
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,730
to work with them instead of getting

1281
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:29,200
jealous and being like oh we're not the

1282
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:32,200
ones on TV or working with Tom DeLonge

1283
00:52:38,099 --> 00:52:35,440
well we could be and I know for a fact

1284
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,109
that many people within MUFON and

1285
00:52:43,170 --> 00:52:40,720
outside of MUFON have been tapped to

1286
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:43,180
somewhat work with to the stars so right

1287
00:52:48,690 --> 00:52:46,329
right you know this is a time in ufology

1288
00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:48,700
when we should be embracing

1289
00:52:54,089 --> 00:52:51,190
the one who is willing to move it

1290
00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:54,099
forward and find some answers so instead

1291
00:52:58,319 --> 00:52:56,680
of again making them an enemy let's just

1292
00:53:00,540 --> 00:52:58,329
all try to work together and that's

1293
00:53:01,980 --> 00:53:00,550
exactly what you said earlier so yeah

1294
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:01,990
and I think that's part of the problem

1295
00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:03,550
that you know we've been trying to

1296
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:06,280
readjust what's wrong with us and why

1297
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:08,290
are we fighting and why is this and it's

1298
00:53:12,750 --> 00:53:09,910
because too many people want to pee on

1299
00:53:14,550 --> 00:53:12,760
their bushes and it hasn't worked in the

1300
00:53:17,730 --> 00:53:14,560
past and that's the first thing I wanted

1301
00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:17,740
to see or you know evaluate it didn't

1302
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:19,990
work so why don't we put our heads

1303
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:22,690
together out here you know it does MUFON

1304
00:53:28,349 --> 00:53:26,710
have to be the only people to see this

1305
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,359
case why can't we bring in to Peter

1306
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:30,640
Davenport and you know William Puckett

1307
00:53:36,839 --> 00:53:33,490
and Fran Ridge and you know these other

1308
00:53:39,089 --> 00:53:36,849
UFO groups this is our history nycap has

1309
00:53:39,930 --> 00:53:39,099
been around as long as MUFON and they're

1310
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:39,940
still standing

1311
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:43,089
Koufos it's like come on like I thought

1312
00:53:47,310 --> 00:53:44,770
it was nostalgic I thought it was

1313
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:47,320
awesome to bring these groups back in

1314
00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:48,970
the spotlight let's work with these guys

1315
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:51,430
some of these people have 70 years in

1316
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,400
the field what but yeah and that is a

1317
00:54:00,120 --> 00:53:56,800
rarity these days so if we can get

1318
00:54:02,670 --> 00:54:00,130
anything from you know 70 years of

1319
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:02,680
research and build upon that I think

1320
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:04,329
that's that's the most important thing

1321
00:54:08,910 --> 00:54:06,609
is you never forget where you come from

1322
00:54:11,010 --> 00:54:08,920
or you know these people in the field

1323
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:11,020
who I've learned from and then build

1324
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:12,910
upon their work instead of saying it's

1325
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:15,310
no it's not relevant anymore it's always

1326
00:54:18,270 --> 00:54:16,930
going to be relevant in some yeah

1327
00:54:20,370 --> 00:54:18,280
exactly

1328
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,380
building it up yeah you know and I think

1329
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:22,480
some people um it might be a little

1330
00:54:26,819 --> 00:54:24,970
offended or feel dismissed but you know

1331
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:26,829
not everybody's owned it

1332
00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:29,200
not everybody's worked for it you know

1333
00:54:35,370 --> 00:54:31,990
so you know if you have a legacy out

1334
00:54:38,010 --> 00:54:35,380
here you probably like I know you Ryan

1335
00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:38,020
um what if you can't do radio anymore

1336
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:40,060
you've got five under things you can do

1337
00:54:47,309 --> 00:54:43,680
and that's that's really the best way to

1338
00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:47,319
maneuver your investigation or you know

1339
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:49,630
how you want to be in this field is you

1340
00:54:52,829 --> 00:54:50,710
just don't put all your eggs in one

1341
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:52,839
basket that's for sure and be

1342
00:54:57,839 --> 00:54:55,510
multi-talented and and be interested and

1343
00:54:59,220 --> 00:54:57,849
ask questions and not be afraid to call

1344
00:55:01,170 --> 00:54:59,230
somebody and say hey you're working on

1345
00:55:02,609 --> 00:55:01,180
this is there a place I can help in that

1346
00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:02,619
or is there

1347
00:55:07,739 --> 00:55:04,420
you know can I read your stuff I mean

1348
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,749
you know even a simple like and to no

1349
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:10,480
longer begrudge somebody because they

1350
00:55:13,739 --> 00:55:12,130
came out with an awesome article and

1351
00:55:15,269 --> 00:55:13,749
you're just not you're not going to give

1352
00:55:17,309 --> 00:55:15,279
them the like for it because you didn't

1353
00:55:19,739 --> 00:55:17,319
like them you know we're we're

1354
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:19,749
outgrowing this and those people you

1355
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:20,650
know when their phone's not ringing

1356
00:55:26,249 --> 00:55:24,130
Brian it's us exactly exactly I mean

1357
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:26,259
everyone always asked me even outside

1358
00:55:30,329 --> 00:55:28,450
the UFO feels like you're always doing

1359
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,339
something you're you're doing a play or

1360
00:55:34,589 --> 00:55:32,559
a movie or they're you know the book or

1361
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,599
whatever whatever it is I'm doing and

1362
00:55:39,539 --> 00:55:37,119
yeah it's because I I can't sit around

1363
00:55:41,759 --> 00:55:39,549
and be I know I have to be doing

1364
00:55:44,910 --> 00:55:41,769
something like how do you do that but

1365
00:55:47,220 --> 00:55:44,920
you wanna know how I called someone and

1366
00:55:49,470 --> 00:55:47,230
I was completely shameless and said how

1367
00:55:51,299 --> 00:55:49,480
can I be involved what can I do because

1368
00:55:53,940 --> 00:55:51,309
that's a very personal and maybe

1369
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:53,950
sometimes selfish approach to it but

1370
00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:55,930
that's how it happens and that's how you

1371
00:56:01,079 --> 00:55:58,660
get the ball rolling get involved stop

1372
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:01,089
sitting on your ass and complaining and

1373
00:56:06,299 --> 00:56:04,450
do something absolutely and it's even at

1374
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:06,309
conferences how many times have we seen

1375
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:09,369
people like afraid to approach you Brian

1376
00:56:15,299 --> 00:56:12,670
or and it's like wait wait like you know

1377
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:15,309
they see you as a rock star you don't

1378
00:56:21,269 --> 00:56:17,650
see you as a rock star please come talk

1379
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,279
to us all right yeah I if that person is

1380
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:23,200
out there they have just as much right

1381
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:24,880
being up there speaking about this topic

1382
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:27,609
as I do because none of us are experts

1383
00:56:34,109 --> 00:56:31,170
we look into it on a day-to-day basis we

1384
00:56:35,999 --> 00:56:34,119
relay the information we've gotten and

1385
00:56:38,819 --> 00:56:36,009
that's about it and that's what it is

1386
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:38,829
it's a discourse you know this isn't us

1387
00:56:44,759 --> 00:56:42,160
preaching to people that are less

1388
00:56:46,589 --> 00:56:44,769
informed than we are it's us saying hey

1389
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:46,599
this is what we found what do you think

1390
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:47,950
about it yes

1391
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:49,450
let's get that conversation going I

1392
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:51,849
couldn't agree more there are no rock

1393
00:56:57,900 --> 00:56:54,970
stars we're all rock stars I guess we're

1394
00:56:59,579 --> 00:56:57,910
all groupies how's that yeah still a big

1395
00:57:01,049 --> 00:56:59,589
groupie I love my Richard Dolan and

1396
00:57:02,849 --> 00:57:01,059
we're good friends with him both of us

1397
00:57:04,859 --> 00:57:02,859
are very very close to Richard but I'm

1398
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:04,869
still kind of a fan girl I don't want to

1399
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:06,910
lose that I don't want to lose that it's

1400
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:09,609
fun you know I love your work to death

1401
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:11,529
Ryan I'm a fan girl I want to lose that

1402
00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:14,650
like you know that's it's just way more

1403
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:15,940
fun to have those

1404
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:18,640
feelings with each other then you know

1405
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:21,760
resentment and jealousy you know I'm not

1406
00:57:24,060 --> 00:57:22,570
into that

1407
00:57:26,910 --> 00:57:24,070
I'm the same and we have to also

1408
00:57:28,890 --> 00:57:26,920
remember like we're not we're not just

1409
00:57:31,050 --> 00:57:28,900
throwing mud at ufology this is like

1410
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:31,060
this in any type of field or

1411
00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:34,720
organization you know but it does seem

1412
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:36,790
to be pretty prevalent in ours and we in

1413
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:38,650
the only way it can change is if we

1414
00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:44,050
acknowledge it so I think you to join

1415
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:47,620
MUFON become an fi it's you know it's

1416
00:57:52,110 --> 00:57:50,110
it's the people like you that we need

1417
00:57:54,450 --> 00:57:52,120
you're a truth seeker you have integrity

1418
00:57:56,490 --> 00:57:54,460
and you have the energy where you know

1419
00:57:58,140 --> 00:57:56,500
it's that next generation that we need

1420
00:58:01,230 --> 00:57:58,150
to build up I've been doing it for over

1421
00:58:02,850 --> 00:58:01,240
20 years and you know even though we

1422
00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:02,860
kind of feel like we're ushering in

1423
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:05,260
behind some of those we're looking for

1424
00:58:09,210 --> 00:58:07,330
the people that are like with us you

1425
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:09,220
know right behind you know we need the

1426
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:12,790
20 and 30-somethings and you know it's

1427
00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:15,370
very important but you didn't come in

1428
00:58:19,410 --> 00:58:17,230
knowing everything Ryan you didn't come

1429
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:19,420
in like you know you were gonna fix

1430
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:22,480
everything and ufology you know you came

1431
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:25,690
in and and did your work and like you

1432
00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:28,690
said had no shame to say hey hey cocky

1433
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:30,220
about that I think that's cool that's

1434
00:58:36,450 --> 00:58:32,940
they love to do it so you know I think

1435
00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:36,460
your intentions really your everything

1436
00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:38,320
we need I'd love you to join move on I

1437
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:43,020
keep you busy it's never too late I

1438
00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:45,130
welcome that invitation and we'll

1439
00:58:50,490 --> 00:58:47,430
definitely talk more about that for sure

1440
00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:50,500
well you did mention chase not having

1441
00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:52,870
all your eggs in one basket now you have

1442
00:58:57,930 --> 00:58:55,990
been very busy in other facets of I

1443
00:59:00,690 --> 00:58:57,940
guess the UFO field and that's with

1444
00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:00,700
presenting it to the mainstream so you

1445
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:02,950
you mentioned a project that you're a

1446
00:59:07,020 --> 00:59:05,170
Associate Producer on I don't know how

1447
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:07,030
much you can actually talk about this so

1448
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:08,650
forgive me if I'm putting you on the

1449
00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:11,110
spot this is a project that you're

1450
00:59:16,350 --> 00:59:13,360
working with Netflix is there anything

1451
00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:16,360
you can tell us about this yes and I

1452
00:59:21,690 --> 00:59:19,390
want to I'm working with the team that

1453
00:59:25,530 --> 00:59:21,700
was approached by Netflix on it on a

1454
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:25,540
topic and I happen to have been involved

1455
00:59:29,730 --> 00:59:27,850
with writing a book with one of the guys

1456
00:59:32,670 --> 00:59:29,740
on name

1457
00:59:35,070 --> 00:59:32,680
Groth and they just they love the idea

1458
00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:35,080
they completely funded it and we have a

1459
00:59:41,130 --> 00:59:37,540
full documentary film coming out on

1460
00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:41,140
Netflix in I believe it's scheduled for

1461
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:43,720
February and it's in post-production

1462
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:47,250
right now Netflix loved the editors cut

1463
00:59:54,060 --> 00:59:50,710
so so so so much that they ordered

1464
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:54,070
another one so I know it's not even done

1465
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,130
yet and you know it's so amazing and to

1466
01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:00,000
be an Associate Producer on you know a

1467
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,270
Netflix film has been it's been an

1468
01:00:10,290 --> 01:00:06,640
eye-opener it's been amazing you know I

1469
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:10,300
don't know if I can join the next one

1470
01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:13,270
but they kind of don't need me the team

1471
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:15,880
is such a rockstar and when all the

1472
01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:17,230
names come out you'll be like oh yeah

1473
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:18,760
they don't need chase they're on they're

1474
01:00:23,970 --> 01:00:21,520
good but yeah I got to be part of this

1475
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:23,980
this whole process it's actually the

1476
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:26,770
film is going to be put into two film

1477
01:00:32,010 --> 01:00:29,710
festivals and I don't know maybe would

1478
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:32,020
it be cool if for the first time a UFO

1479
01:00:40,410 --> 01:00:35,920
topic type film got an award in an

1480
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:40,420
actual festival yes credible you know

1481
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:43,690
non UFO festivals yes I think that's

1482
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,570
awesome well I mean sort of staying on

1483
01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:48,880
that same vein you have also been very

1484
01:00:53,790 --> 01:00:51,430
busy on my television here at home

1485
01:00:55,890 --> 01:00:53,800
you're popping up everywhere chase I

1486
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,900
mean within the last year or two you've

1487
01:01:01,290 --> 01:00:57,280
worked with Josh gates

1488
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:01,300
Rob Lowe and ancient aliens as well so I

1489
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:03,490
mean I'd love if you know briefly you

1490
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:05,710
could sort of run over what you did with

1491
01:01:11,090 --> 01:01:09,010
these guys and how those experiences

1492
01:01:14,910 --> 01:01:11,100
were I can only imagine a whirlwind I

1493
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:14,920
loved it working with Josh gates is he's

1494
01:01:21,570 --> 01:01:18,250
exactly who he is on TV he's funny he's

1495
01:01:23,310 --> 01:01:21,580
very very nice very attentive they

1496
01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:23,320
appreciate everything that you know

1497
01:01:26,609 --> 01:01:25,030
you're doing with them because they know

1498
01:01:28,620 --> 01:01:26,619
that you kind of given up your life to

1499
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:28,630
something you're not doing on a daily

1500
01:01:33,330 --> 01:01:31,090
basis so it's foreign he was he was

1501
01:01:34,590 --> 01:01:33,340
amazing and you know we joked around to

1502
01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:34,600
the point where we're in that like

1503
01:01:38,609 --> 01:01:36,790
little flashy Jeep and he's like we're

1504
01:01:40,410 --> 01:01:38,619
like Mulder and Scully chase and I'm

1505
01:01:42,780 --> 01:01:40,420
like yeah trust no one

1506
01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:42,790
Josh and you know he's just he's just

1507
01:01:45,450 --> 01:01:43,510
fun

1508
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:45,460
and he says let's put our glasses on

1509
01:01:50,070 --> 01:01:48,250
like we're MIB it was just fun times

1510
01:01:52,860 --> 01:01:50,080
like that but then when it came time to

1511
01:01:55,050 --> 01:01:52,870
investigate dead-on he is serious so

1512
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:55,060
he's the real deal I really like that

1513
01:02:02,280 --> 01:01:58,960
Rob Lowe that was amazing because I got

1514
01:02:04,830 --> 01:02:02,290
to board a research vessel named the

1515
01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:04,840
bold horizon and worked with the Eclipse

1516
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:06,670
group which is the same group that was

1517
01:02:10,860 --> 01:02:08,650
worked with Steven Spielberg and George

1518
01:02:13,770 --> 01:02:10,870
Lucas and you know some of the big guys

1519
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:13,780
there on the Titanic and some of the

1520
01:02:19,350 --> 01:02:16,990
other films that they made and you know

1521
01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:19,360
it was amazing you know we were gonna

1522
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:21,790
investigate the Malibu underwater base

1523
01:02:24,090 --> 01:02:23,050
and for the first time we're actually

1524
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:24,100
gonna put eyes on it

1525
01:02:30,030 --> 01:02:26,730
we had sides Andy yeah we put that

1526
01:02:31,890 --> 01:02:30,040
Mohawk too it's it's an ROV and put them

1527
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:31,900
in the water and it got all this HD

1528
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:35,650
video and side scanning radar and landed

1529
01:02:40,530 --> 01:02:38,770
on top of that structure and went down

1530
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:40,540
the front of it and back and forth on

1531
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:44,290
the on the seabed and it was awesome but

1532
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:47,770
Rob is Hollywood and it felt Hollywood

1533
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:49,330
the whole time like when I was around

1534
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:51,850
because I had all meals with Robin and

1535
01:02:56,490 --> 01:02:54,850
the boys and we all got along really

1536
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:56,500
great and had fun at the meals but it

1537
01:03:00,960 --> 01:02:57,610
was kind of like after the meals

1538
01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:00,970
it was Hollywood it was like Hollywood

1539
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:04,780
and the best way to describe it was the

1540
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:07,090
boat captain and I were standing at the

1541
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:09,610
rails there were 40 of us on the ship

1542
01:03:13,740 --> 01:03:12,370
no there was 47 of us on the ship and 40

1543
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,750
of us hanging over the rails the first

1544
01:03:19,770 --> 01:03:15,760
12 hours by the way I believe the show

1545
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:19,780
showed Rob throwing up I know it's like

1546
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:22,510
we were all like no it was bad but um

1547
01:03:26,550 --> 01:03:24,610
you know it we're standing in side rails

1548
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:26,560
and this big wave comes up and kind of

1549
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:29,170
knocks us a little and kind of soaks us

1550
01:03:32,670 --> 01:03:31,030
down and you know the guys all come

1551
01:03:34,020 --> 01:03:32,680
running up and they're dry in Rob's hair

1552
01:03:36,750 --> 01:03:34,030
and they're fixing his makeup and fix

1553
01:03:38,130 --> 01:03:36,760
his hair and then they walk away and

1554
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:38,140
they're like okay and he starts talking

1555
01:03:42,690 --> 01:03:39,850
to us and I'm like I'm sure I have

1556
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:42,700
mascara running down my cheeks and you

1557
01:03:46,350 --> 01:03:45,010
know it's like and I kind of looked at

1558
01:03:51,930 --> 01:03:46,360
the captain he looked at me and I'm like

1559
01:03:54,300 --> 01:03:51,940
okay yeah but he was very nice when it

1560
01:03:56,340 --> 01:03:54,310
was time to be sociable but when it

1561
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:56,350
wasn't it was work and it was Hollywood

1562
01:04:02,730 --> 01:03:57,490
yeah

1563
01:04:05,010 --> 01:04:02,740
III you can also see the dichotomy

1564
01:04:08,339 --> 01:04:05,020
between Rob Lowe and Josh gates you know

1565
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:08,349
one yes one grew up as an expedition er

1566
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:11,250
and actually was passionate about

1567
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:14,170
putting the legwork in to do this now

1568
01:04:18,660 --> 01:04:15,730
I'm not saying anything against Rob Lowe

1569
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:18,670
but he is a Hollywood actor does he have

1570
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:20,710
an actual interest in this yes of course

1571
01:04:25,950 --> 01:04:23,920
what he does you know he also had a

1572
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:25,960
silliness about it because this was an

1573
01:04:30,050 --> 01:04:27,640
experience that he was sharing with his

1574
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:30,060
boys which was something not quite

1575
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,050
anticipated or that didn't come out in

1576
01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:34,720
the discussion clearly when they invited

1577
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:36,790
me to come out and do this with them

1578
01:04:42,089 --> 01:04:39,010
because I promise you there's very

1579
01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:42,099
little of me saying anything because we

1580
01:04:46,770 --> 01:04:44,800
were all down at the bottom by the

1581
01:04:49,170 --> 01:04:46,780
charts and they're like chase so I need

1582
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:49,180
you to say this is an underwater base

1583
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:50,710
that we've been looking at for a long

1584
01:04:55,710 --> 01:04:52,960
time we have a lot of you know cases

1585
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:55,720
with you know UFOs going in and out I'm

1586
01:05:00,690 --> 01:04:58,210
like I'm not saying that I would never

1587
01:05:02,670 --> 01:05:00,700
say that and then there was another time

1588
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:02,680
where they're all scream and chase chase

1589
01:05:08,010 --> 01:05:05,770
chase so I go running up the ladder and

1590
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:08,020
productions I call up there so I get to

1591
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:10,089
the top deck and Rob's like oh my god

1592
01:05:15,089 --> 01:05:13,089
what's that I'm like Oh Rob I said

1593
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:15,099
that's a drone I said it's a phantom you

1594
01:05:19,020 --> 01:05:17,050
could tell by the light changes I said I

1595
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:19,030
had the same drone but they wanted me to

1596
01:05:23,010 --> 01:05:21,310
go oh my god that's a UFO and then there

1597
01:05:26,339 --> 01:05:23,020
was one time they said something about

1598
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:26,349
can you just say that the aliens from

1599
01:05:30,359 --> 01:05:28,960
the mothership and then some and I said

1600
01:05:30,750 --> 01:05:30,369
you guys that will never come out of my

1601
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:30,760
mouth

1602
01:05:34,829 --> 01:05:33,310
and Rob was mad I mean Rob and the

1603
01:05:36,420 --> 01:05:34,839
director said chase and why are you here

1604
01:05:38,130 --> 01:05:36,430
and I said because you wanted a

1605
01:05:39,030 --> 01:05:38,140
scientific investigator I said if you

1606
01:05:41,490 --> 01:05:39,040
wanted somebody

1607
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:41,500
there's a hundred UFO Kardashians you

1608
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:42,910
know they want to be famous for nothing

1609
01:05:48,290 --> 01:05:45,670
I said but Rob what would what would it

1610
01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:48,300
take for you to sell out your peers and

1611
01:05:55,770 --> 01:05:51,780
professionalism a show with Rob Lowe

1612
01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:55,780
$10,000 what would it cost if you looked

1613
01:06:00,120 --> 01:05:57,609
at me he says to say chase

1614
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:00,130
Touche but and they did ask me to say

1615
01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:02,710
anything more but there was a silliness

1616
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:05,470
and I got it you could see they scared

1617
01:06:10,890 --> 01:06:08,770
in the show they scared John Owen with

1618
01:06:12,029 --> 01:06:10,900
an alien a fake one and

1619
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:12,039
you know so there's a lot of silliness

1620
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:14,890
but in the end I didn't care

1621
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:17,890
Ryan I was on a research vessel and we

1622
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:20,770
totally scientifically with the most

1623
01:06:26,490 --> 01:06:23,520
advanced equipment available to us

1624
01:06:29,069 --> 01:06:26,500
completely solved the Malibu underwater

1625
01:06:34,170 --> 01:06:29,079
base so to me I'm walking like I don't

1626
01:06:36,930 --> 01:06:34,180
care about Rob Lowe we got data that's

1627
01:06:39,420 --> 01:06:36,940
so funny tracer I was scheduled to go

1628
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:39,430
out to that site I'm in Los Angeles now

1629
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:41,049
I was scheduled to go out there with a

1630
01:06:46,140 --> 01:06:43,690
couple friends to to look into that case

1631
01:06:48,809 --> 01:06:46,150
in a couple weeks and now I don't have

1632
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,819
to waste my time going out there oh I'll

1633
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:50,799
give you my final report because you

1634
01:06:54,510 --> 01:06:52,569
know there's a lot of things to it I you

1635
01:06:56,490 --> 01:06:54,520
know we didn't just do that you know I

1636
01:06:58,859 --> 01:06:56,500
figured out everybody talks about Point

1637
01:07:00,599 --> 01:06:58,869
Mugu that base it's right there wait a

1638
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:00,609
minute guys did you know that Port

1639
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:02,770
Hueneme that's about 40 miles north of

1640
01:07:08,250 --> 01:07:05,680
that has a direct line is the actual

1641
01:07:11,370 --> 01:07:08,260
home of underwater Seabees that build

1642
01:07:13,319 --> 01:07:11,380
underwater hello like you know it is

1643
01:07:14,970 --> 01:07:13,329
just funny that we found things that

1644
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:14,980
people weren't even paying attention to

1645
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:17,770
but I'll send you that report and you

1646
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:19,569
know still go out there I mean you know

1647
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:21,910
it's it's fun you know in the end it

1648
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:24,220
really was about the data and you know

1649
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:25,839
doing these shows I'm very very picky

1650
01:07:30,569 --> 01:07:27,910
with um you know we all know I've turned

1651
01:07:32,250 --> 01:07:30,579
down many I know you have because we

1652
01:07:33,779 --> 01:07:32,260
were talked to there's you know when

1653
01:07:35,849 --> 01:07:33,789
people ask me well who would you

1654
01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:35,859
recommend I'm like Lyons Greg I've

1655
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:37,569
dropped your name you know that they

1656
01:07:42,990 --> 01:07:40,240
called you um but a lot of these you

1657
01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:43,000
know when they get real we don't want

1658
01:07:48,660 --> 01:07:46,809
any part of um its I've been in the same

1659
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:48,670
situation you know I won't mention the

1660
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:50,650
show it's the only show I've been on so

1661
01:07:55,950 --> 01:07:53,170
it's pretty obvious at this point but I

1662
01:07:59,039 --> 01:07:55,960
was doing a famous UFO case with them

1663
01:08:01,260 --> 01:07:59,049
and they got everything wrong the

1664
01:08:03,930 --> 01:08:01,270
director showed up he hadn't researched

1665
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:03,940
it at all he was getting the names the

1666
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:06,460
dates wrong and he's just telling me

1667
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:08,559
what to say I'm like dude what like

1668
01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:10,690
you're not even saying the main primary

1669
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:14,260
witness's name right he's this look I'll

1670
01:08:18,689 --> 01:08:16,690
just say it he was sick he didn't want

1671
01:08:20,459 --> 01:08:18,699
to be there so just just say the lines

1672
01:08:23,309 --> 01:08:20,469
and that's the point where you have to

1673
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:23,319
be like look is this worth my reputation

1674
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,489
as a

1675
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,279
serious author and researcher to be on

1676
01:08:31,289 --> 01:08:29,440
national television and say something

1677
01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:31,299
I'm not comfortable as saying and will

1678
01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:33,670
add to the disinformation of this case

1679
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:36,670
so you know it was should have been in

1680
01:08:42,059 --> 01:08:39,130
our shoot it ended up being eight hours

1681
01:08:44,759 --> 01:08:42,069
long chase just because my god I argued

1682
01:08:47,549 --> 01:08:44,769
every last word that they wanted me to

1683
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:47,559
say knowing full well that these people

1684
01:08:51,329 --> 01:08:49,329
they're professional editors they can

1685
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:51,339
make you sound bad if they really want

1686
01:08:55,739 --> 01:08:53,710
to or make you say something that you

1687
01:08:58,019 --> 01:08:55,749
you're not comfortable with saying or is

1688
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,029
going to add to the negative perception

1689
01:09:01,649 --> 01:09:00,400
of this field and that that's kind of

1690
01:09:04,189 --> 01:09:01,659
what it came down to I would rather

1691
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:04,199
spend eight hours getting it right and

1692
01:09:08,579 --> 01:09:06,880
bringing credible information out then

1693
01:09:11,309 --> 01:09:08,589
doing the Hollywood thing and saying it

1694
01:09:14,249 --> 01:09:11,319
was aliens that kidnapped you know this

1695
01:09:16,769 --> 01:09:14,259
person from his plane so oh my gosh

1696
01:09:19,109 --> 01:09:16,779
exactly and I was on a sizzle reel down

1697
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:19,119
in Texas I even have like a shot of you

1698
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,409
know me kind of bent down getting

1699
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:23,440
evidence but and when I found out like

1700
01:09:28,049 --> 01:09:25,210
about halfway through it I just said

1701
01:09:29,519 --> 01:09:28,059
guys I'm not doing this either I am NOT

1702
01:09:30,899 --> 01:09:29,529
doing this I want no part of this

1703
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:30,909
product and I walked away in the middle

1704
01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:34,329
of it it was like not doing it guys and

1705
01:09:39,779 --> 01:09:36,190
you're right and I and I I'm glad that

1706
01:09:41,370 --> 01:09:39,789
you know we do that because we do

1707
01:09:44,759 --> 01:09:41,380
represent what's out here and if we look

1708
01:09:46,859 --> 01:09:44,769
kooky then how many people watching the

1709
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:46,869
show think UFO investigators are all

1710
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:49,839
kooky exactly exactly and again we

1711
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:52,329
strive for credibility why ruin that

1712
01:09:57,239 --> 01:09:54,730
just for like five minutes of fame so

1713
01:09:59,879 --> 01:09:57,249
well I mean besides the TV projects and

1714
01:10:02,640 --> 01:09:59,889
Phil projects chase your extensive

1715
01:10:06,330 --> 01:10:02,650
research and investigations somehow you

1716
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:06,340
found time to write a couple books wrap

1717
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:08,710
things up with these two books that you

1718
01:10:14,129 --> 01:10:12,369
have one is for for more of the adults

1719
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:14,139
the other is for children's so tell us

1720
01:10:19,979 --> 01:10:16,210
about your two publications you've had

1721
01:10:22,109 --> 01:10:19,989
the birth book was a children's book

1722
01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:22,119
it's the first of its kind it's titled

1723
01:10:27,629 --> 01:10:25,630
our aliens really real and it really

1724
01:10:29,609 --> 01:10:27,639
tells a story of a grandmother and a

1725
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,619
little boy which this is a true story

1726
01:10:33,660 --> 01:10:31,360
this is exactly how it happened the same

1727
01:10:35,609 --> 01:10:33,670
questions were what my grandson asked me

1728
01:10:38,430 --> 01:10:35,619
he knows what I do and you know they're

1729
01:10:40,020 --> 01:10:38,440
fascinated and and I knew at that point

1730
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:40,030
that whatever I was gonna tell him he

1731
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:42,400
believed and I didn't want to do that I

1732
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:45,040
wanted to answer the question so that he

1733
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:46,690
was curious enough to look up his own

1734
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,489
answers and to figure things out for

1735
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:50,560
himself and so that's how the book kind

1736
01:10:54,140 --> 01:10:52,210
of portray so this will boys asking

1737
01:10:56,420 --> 01:10:54,150
questions and you know it's grandmothers

1738
01:10:59,160 --> 01:10:56,430
answering in a way that promotes

1739
01:11:01,380 --> 01:10:59,170
exploration in the meantime there's a

1740
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:01,390
little alien in every little picture and

1741
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:03,370
the kids have fun kind of finding a

1742
01:11:07,229 --> 01:11:05,199
little alien you know where it is in the

1743
01:11:09,330 --> 01:11:07,239
picture and of course the innuendo there

1744
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:09,340
is just because you didn't see it

1745
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:11,710
doesn't mean he wasn't there so and then

1746
01:11:17,939 --> 01:11:14,530
I wrote a book with Richard Dolan all

1747
01:11:20,180 --> 01:11:17,949
the contents mine and I had no idea what

1748
01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:20,190
to do with it so he organized it and

1749
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:22,840
help me with content and how to make it

1750
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:25,690
make sense and it's called admissible

1751
01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:28,719
and it really is a manual on you know

1752
01:11:35,070 --> 01:11:31,620
professional applications and strategies

1753
01:11:36,750 --> 01:11:35,080
it's not a manual in the sense of you

1754
01:11:38,820 --> 01:11:36,760
know I take each chapter say this is how

1755
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:38,830
you do this and this and this it's more

1756
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,110
if you're new and you just need advice

1757
01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:43,440
let me tell you what we've learned and

1758
01:11:47,729 --> 01:11:45,550
you know like one thing I tell them to

1759
01:11:50,340 --> 01:11:47,739
you know be careful of the rabbit holes

1760
01:11:52,170 --> 01:11:50,350
you know another thing is hey guys I

1761
01:11:54,510 --> 01:11:52,180
know it's fun to put UFO stuff all over

1762
01:11:55,650 --> 01:11:54,520
your car but you know let's not do that

1763
01:11:57,570 --> 01:11:55,660
if that's the car you're gonna be

1764
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,580
driving to a witness location because

1765
01:12:01,140 --> 01:11:59,199
they may not want their neighbors to

1766
01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:01,150
know you know so to show up with a big

1767
01:12:04,890 --> 01:12:03,430
MUFON stick are not a good idea so

1768
01:12:06,660 --> 01:12:04,900
little things like that that we kind of

1769
01:12:09,180 --> 01:12:06,670
learned that you know you don't always

1770
01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:09,190
hear when you're new or I have a big

1771
01:12:13,979 --> 01:12:12,100
section on ethics and why we need to be

1772
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:13,989
better and why ethics have to be our

1773
01:12:20,130 --> 01:12:16,630
number-one concern because these people

1774
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:20,140
are vulnerable a lot of times and you

1775
01:12:23,729 --> 01:12:22,210
know we we have to be diligent and and

1776
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:23,739
just give them something because there

1777
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,170
is no one else and until people realize

1778
01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:28,960
that then it's just a game when you

1779
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:31,000
realize that then you start owning your

1780
01:12:35,729 --> 01:12:32,650
you own it and you take it with a little

1781
01:12:37,890 --> 01:12:35,739
more seriousness so it's kind of the

1782
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:37,900
advice you don't get in like a Field

1783
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,239
Manual oh well I was gonna add chase I

1784
01:12:44,370 --> 01:12:42,400
mean I have like first editions of all

1785
01:12:47,970 --> 01:12:44,380
these old like Donald Keough books

1786
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:47,980
Friedman Hynek and they're all warned

1787
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:51,040
and they look all this all hell but your

1788
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:52,210
book admissible

1789
01:12:58,020 --> 01:12:54,730
is the most worn book I have because

1790
01:12:59,880 --> 01:12:58,030
it's you know pages I've got bookmarked

1791
01:13:01,470 --> 01:12:59,890
everything's highlighted it looks like

1792
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:01,480
it's been through hell and back just

1793
01:13:08,010 --> 01:13:05,110
because I use it so much oh my gosh out

1794
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:08,020
there investigating so it is it it is

1795
01:13:12,570 --> 01:13:10,090
for anyone just getting into the field

1796
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:12,580
or for the veterans out there I mean

1797
01:13:16,410 --> 01:13:14,290
this is the kind of book you need to do

1798
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:16,420
a proper investigation and again you

1799
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:18,610
have the extensive knowledge outside of

1800
01:13:23,070 --> 01:13:20,410
the UFO field as well to write a book

1801
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:23,080
like that so you know sort of sort of

1802
01:13:28,590 --> 01:13:26,050
wrapping that up you you are for me the

1803
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,600
prime example of what a ufologist if we

1804
01:13:33,630 --> 01:13:30,880
want to use that term should be a UFO

1805
01:13:35,370 --> 01:13:33,640
investigator and researcher so I mean it

1806
01:13:38,220 --> 01:13:35,380
took a long time to finally get you on

1807
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:38,230
the show but I am so happy that we

1808
01:13:43,410 --> 01:13:40,930
finally made this happen and again if

1809
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:43,420
anyone wants to find all of your work

1810
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:45,370
where can they find that you can find

1811
01:13:50,490 --> 01:13:48,550
that on my website is chase klutz keep

1812
01:13:52,350 --> 01:13:50,500
calm and I don't really put a lot of

1813
01:13:55,260 --> 01:13:52,360
work up there I guess it's I don't know

1814
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:55,270
I when I close the case I've always just

1815
01:13:59,490 --> 01:13:56,770
handed it to the witness and let it be

1816
01:14:01,650 --> 01:13:59,500
theirs but I guess I need to do that

1817
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:01,660
because people forget kind of what I do

1818
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:03,610
out here but does that make sense like

1819
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:05,530
when I work on their stuff I close their

1820
01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:08,410
case and give it to them so absolutely I

1821
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:10,150
mean at the end of the day it's for them

1822
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:12,420
yeah so I don't have a lot of that but

1823
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:14,650
you know you can definitely I'm on

1824
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:16,840
Twitter Facebook I don't do a lot of

1825
01:14:21,060 --> 01:14:18,640
Facebook I don't I definitely I don't

1826
01:14:22,890 --> 01:14:21,070
even have facebook Messenger so don't

1827
01:14:24,990 --> 01:14:22,900
message me they're always emails best

1828
01:14:28,590 --> 01:14:25,000
way and I just love hearing every from

1829
01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:28,600
people out here and Ryan and you are one

1830
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,580
of my favorite guys out here and we're

1831
01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:32,560
very fond of each other and that's very

1832
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:35,200
apparent when we toss each other's name

1833
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:37,120
up there and I want to thank you so much

1834
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:39,010
for the invitation it's been such a

1835
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:46,090
pleasure that's it for this week's

1836
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:48,880
episode again all of chases work can be

1837
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:52,570
found at chase klutz keep calm that's CH

1838
01:15:00,620 --> 01:14:56,130
a se KL o

1839
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:00,630
z ke comm please take a moment to help

1840
01:15:06,620 --> 01:15:03,330
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01:15:09,979 --> 01:15:06,630
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01:15:21,979 --> 01:15:19,620
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1847
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:21,989
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summer skies thank you also to the e1

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podcast network kid GRA radio and to you

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the listeners I'll see you here next

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week and remember keep your feet on the

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ground but never stop searching

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somewhere in the skies

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